| installed rivets in my Paiste Twenty ride | malletjazz3
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| I don't know if anyone here will be interested, but I thought I'd share anyway. 
As the topic title says, I just installed two rivets in my Paiste Twenty ride. This is a cymbal that I half-heartedly tried to sell with no takers (except for Rich, but my bank's inability to deal sensibly with international monetary transactions put the kibosh on that...). I like this cymbal as a general business ride, but I've got one or two other cymbals that will come off the shelf before the Twenty. Given that, I thought it would be a good candidate for rivets, since I didn't yet have a riveted ride. I experimented with various coins taped to the cymbal: more or fewer, different locations, etc., and the results were good enough - I finally took the plunge and put a drill to it.
I haven't had it on a gig yet, but I'm very happy with the results.
Sound files:
• http://www.malletjazz.com/cymb...iste_twenty_no_rivets.mp3 - recording of cymbal prior to rivets
• http://www.malletjazz.com/cymb...ide/riveted_twenty_01.mp3 - single strike with fingertips
• http://www.malletjazz.com/cymb...ide/riveted_twenty_02.mp3 - generic jazz ride alone
• http://www.malletjazz.com/cymb...ide/riveted_twenty_03.mp3 - generic jazz ride w/kit
• http://www.malletjazz.com/cymb...ide/riveted_twenty_04.mp3 - generic bossa nova
• http://www.malletjazz.com/cymb...ide/riveted_twenty_05.mp3 - generic backbeat
It's not an overbearing sound - the basic sound of the cymbal is still there, just enhanced by the rivets - so I think I'll refrain from adding any more. | | Message posted 152 days 4 hours ago |  IP Logged |
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| servantrek
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| Nice job. what did You use to drill the holes?
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| malletjazz3
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| Thanks, guys.
I used a drill press, with just a basic drill bit (suitable for metal). I put a bit of oil on the cymbal to help keep the spot cool, to keep the metal from overheating - something which could help promote cracking in the future. (That, and I took my time - drill a bit, let it cool, drill some more, etc.)
Duncan, the rivets are split rivets sold by Agop - I bought them from http://www.cymbalsonly.com. I also bought some Bosphorus rivets, which are a little bit lighter (the Agops sounded better on this cymbal). The split rivets are really easy to install - the end is split (hence the name), and you just bend one end one way, and one the other way, to keep the rivet from slipping back out of the hole. (If you want to remove the rivets, it's really easy - just bend the ends back into shape and slip the rivet right out.)
I keep hearing that similar rivets (brass, steel, aluminum, etc.) are available at one's local hardware store, but I never was able to find them in my local shops.
Also, Duncan - how many rivets are there in the ride? Too many can dampen/mute the cymbal slightly, and if your Dad's cymbal has a lot of rivets, that might be what's happening.
Updated on 6/22/2008 10:36:14 AM Oh, one last thing with the drilling: I rested the cymbal on a block of wood, and drilled from the bottom side through the top, using the wood as backing material. | | Message posted 152 days ago | IP Logged |
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| malletjazz3
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| | Since we're not talking about a historical item ("A 1950s K with original rivets," f.i.), it might be worth removing the rivets are there, and then experiment with some lighter rivets - try one or two, try different patterns, everything up to the maximum of six. | | Message posted 152 days ago | IP Logged |
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| Geez, James, I love listening to your uptempo jazz stuff! Can't play it, but love listening to it. The rivets sound cool!
I have some cymbal rivets that I bought several years ago, but they aren't split, looks like they have to be hammered to create a bulge so they won't come back out. I do have a 22" ride that I wouldn't mind trying it on. Thanks for the how-to!
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"I forgot about that purchase mike, hows it working out?"
To be honest Rich, I haven't used it much. I've been changing crap around so fast, I just haven't gotten to it. I like it's sound though. When things settle down I'm going to try it in a blues setting.
I'll let you guys know how it works out.
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We grow old because we stop playing.
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