I dunno-I've always used Sabian-from B8's to AAX, and I love 'em-the only kind of product that they put out that is CRAP is the "Solar" brand GOD! I once had an 18" crash/ride and it sounded best when I threw it into my crawlspace in disgust...

I once had a 20" Paiste RUDE ride/crash, and I had to put tape on it to muffle the roar that built up while riding it. As for using it as a crash, it sounded like a gong-Horrible! It did have an awesome big ol' bell on it though...

I'm using an 18" Sabian Pro ride now, and I like it; nice ping to it, although I wish it had a bigger bell ( I got bell envy!!!!)