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Page: 1 2 >> Forum Home - Cymbals - a question for the double BD pedal guys
a question for the double BD pedal guys
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malletjazz3


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Yes, this is in the cymbal section. If the forum had a "help a clueless geezer" section, I'd put it there.

The only time I play double bass drum is when I practice so I'm not completely clueless when one of my students wants to work on double bass technique - the gigs I play just don't call for it.

I recently picked up a drop clutch for my hi-hat stand, for the sake of my double bass students at their lessons. Very clever little device.

My question: is there a particular method or technique to hitting the lever to drop the top cymbal? Some way to make the process as smooth and intuitive as possible? No matter what I try, it's like a big neon sign lights up over my head: "EVERYBODY! STOP WHAT YOU'RE DOING, AND WATCH THE OLD MAN STUMBLE WITH NEW TECHNOLOGY!" Argh!

(Stepping on the pedal to re-engage it...well...even an old man like me can figure that one out.) Err...

Any suggestions?
"I played with Holdsworth, Fripp, and Belew...I wish we drummers could play that differently. Drummers are starting to homogenize into the same guy, which frightens me." - Bill Bruford

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servantrek



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Although I play double bass I use a regular stand and keep it closed with my heel.I learned the technique from the first double bass player I saw play.
Billy
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malletjazz3



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Unfortunately, that won't help my double bass students, most of whom play heel up most of the time.

Even though I'm not heavy into double bass, I'd still like to become more fluent with the drop clutch, for the times I play a cowbell, block, etc., with my left foot, on things like Afro Cuban or Caribbean grooves.
"I played with Holdsworth, Fripp, and Belew...I wish we drummers could play that differently. Drummers are starting to homogenize into the same guy, which frightens me." - Bill Bruford

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drummer5359



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I use a double and a drop-clutch James.

Although I'm not as smooth with the drop-clutch as I'd like to be, I've improved with practice just like anything else. I wish I could give better advice.


-Mike - Member since January 6, 2007

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We grow old because we stop playing."

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malletjazz3



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I'm even looking for very rudimentary suggestions, as in...do you hit the lever (to release the clutch) with your hand, or with your stick? Left hand (stick)? Right hand (stick)? Either?

Thus far, just messing around with it hasn't gotten me off the schneid, so to speak. I'll keep at it, tho... Err...
"I played with Holdsworth, Fripp, and Belew...I wish we drummers could play that differently. Drummers are starting to homogenize into the same guy, which frightens me." - Bill Bruford

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drummer5359



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I set up the lever is to the left of the rod. I use the stick in my left hand. I'm not great at it, but I sat and worked at it one day until it started to get a little more fluid. A"sharp strike seems to work best for me.

I have a DW and it's okay.

Yamaha made one that was much smoother in operation, but it's out of production.

I hope that helps a little.
-Mike - Member since January 6, 2007

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania U.S.A.

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We grow old because we stop playing."

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servantrek



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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6aScM17mik


There are several videos on Youtube.




Billy
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A Jester,unemployed,is nobodies Fool


And the Lord said "LET THERE BE DRUMMERS..." and all the creatures big and small started tapping their feet.
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malletjazz3



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Thanks for the link, but none of the videos I saw seem to help with my specific question - they deal more with describing how the one part grabs onto the other (which, judging from the comments I saw on those pages, apparently is a question many folks have.)

Apparently, there's no preferred technique(s) for smoothly and efficiently moving the arm to release the top cymbal. I guess I'll just keep messing around with it, and see what I come up with.
"I played with Holdsworth, Fripp, and Belew...I wish we drummers could play that differently. Drummers are starting to homogenize into the same guy, which frightens me." - Bill Bruford

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crash



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Do it in time,

just hit with a stick,


You hit the hi hats right?

What's so different about it?
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malletjazz3



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You hit the hi hats right?

What's so different about it?


When I hit the hi-hats, I do so to make a sound. When disengaging the clutch, I don't necessarily want to make a sound - at least, not a sound loud enough to be heard out front. The sound of a stick hitting the lever isn't the issue - it's whether the cymbals hit together.

I had some time between lessons today to work on it some more. I realized that the problem wasn't figuring out the best way to hit/move the lever, it was doing it with the cymbals already together (or at least, close together), so the top cymbal doesn't crash onto the bottom one. That's the coordination I'm trying to work out. I want to be able to disengage the lever as quietly as possible - the gigs I play, it would be heard if the cymbals dropped together like that.

Hit the lever, the cymbal drops - as I mentioned earlier, I get that. I'm just trying to figure out a more subtle way of getting into it.
"I played with Holdsworth, Fripp, and Belew...I wish we drummers could play that differently. Drummers are starting to homogenize into the same guy, which frightens me." - Bill Bruford

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