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| FS: 1950s 22" A Zildjian ride | 
malletjazz3
1,063 posts (1 today)
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5 July 2010
| For Sale:
22" A Zildjian ride. I'm not up on my Zildjian stamp histories, but from what I can tell, and according to friends of mine who know are familiar with older Zildjians, this is a late '50s cymbal.
Very good condition - a bit of keyholing, but no cracks, chips, or flea bites. There are a few flecks of white paint, visible in the photos - a previous owner spilled paint on it, and cleaned almost all of it off. I'll leave any further cleaning to the buyer - I don't want to risk messing up the patina simply to get rid of a handful of insignificant dots. Also, someone had written on the underside of the cymbal with magic marker. All of that has been cleaned off, but very light ghosting of it is still visible when the light hits at just the right angle (visible in first photo below)
Weight is approximately 2550g.
Why I'm selling: after trying this ride on a few gigs, I've concluded that I'm more of a pre-serial Paiste 602 guy as far as ride cymbal sounds are concerned.
Price: $195, including shipping in the US. At the moment, the sale is limited to the 48 contiguous (US) states - my apologies to those outside the US. I'm not interested in trades at this time.
Accepted forms of payment: USPS Money Order, or cashier's check. Personal checks accepted, but will require 5 business days to clear before shipping the cymbal. Sorry, no paypal - I'm not set up for it.
Please email me directly with any questions: malletjazz AT yahoo DOT com.
Sound files (one microphone, direct into the mixer, then into my computer; no FX/EQ; played with Vater 7A Manhattan wood tipped sticks.)
• http://www.malletjazz.com/cymb...djian/22_zildjian_001.mp3
• http://www.malletjazz.com/cymb...djian/22_zildjian_002.mp3
"I played with Holdsworth, Fripp, and Belew...I wish we drummers could play that differently. Drummers are starting to homogenize into the same guy, which frightens me." - Bill Bruford
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crash
2,923 posts (2 today)
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5 July 2010
| I would check on the age.
It has the small o in Co that's changed most in the mark, big O small o small with line under, I'd have to check but my hats from the 70's have that mark. | | Message posted 584 days ago | IP Logged |
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malletjazz3
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5 July 2010
| From my research, late '50s/early '60s and 1970s stamps are the same.
If you look at the photo of the underside of the bell, you'll see spots where the crust did not get lathed off. Also, the lathing isn't as consistent (read: automated) as the 1970s Zildjians.
"I played with Holdsworth, Fripp, and Belew...I wish we drummers could play that differently. Drummers are starting to homogenize into the same guy, which frightens me." - Bill Bruford
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gclin
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5 July 2010
| Hard to tell, but the profile of the bell in the second picture really looks like the late 50s or early 60s. The 70s A rides had a higher profile bell and an overall brighter attack if memory serves me.
As for the case of the 'o' in the stamp, I just checked my old A 20" ride from the late 50s. The the 'o' was lower case and looked just like the picture James has above.
I got this cymbal in 1968 with my first kit. I had a vintage patina and associated filth when I got it. So while I can only go by my 1st teacher, who got the kit for me, that it was from the 50s, it's condition in 1968 makes it certain that it could not have been much more recent then that.
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malletjazz3
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7 July 2010
| Thanks, Gene.
However...
UPDATE 7/7/10
Sorry, folks - I'm having second thoughts and I'm pulling this cymbal off the market.
If I do decide to put it up for sale again in the future, I'll start a new thread to advertise it.
Apologies,
JW
"I played with Holdsworth, Fripp, and Belew...I wish we drummers could play that differently. Drummers are starting to homogenize into the same guy, which frightens me." - Bill Bruford
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crash
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10 July 2010
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malletjazz3
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10 July 2010
| With respect, here is the research behind my claim that this cymbal is from the late '50s, or possibly early '60s:
http://www.hidehitters.com/cym...djianstamps/timeline.html
http://www.classicdrummer.com/...les/ZildjianTimeline1.pdf (Please see "photo number two")
There's also this reply to a thread (linked below) by a man named Bill Hartrick ("Drumaholic"), who has done more research on Zildjian stamps than anyone I'm aware of. The photos show a stamp which looks (as far as I can tell) identical to the one on mine, and Mr. Hartrick identifies it as a late '50s Zildjian (post #5 in the thread):
http://www.vintagedrumforum.co...ead.php?p=60824#post60824
Additionally, there are several cymbals currently advertised on Steve Maxwell's site, that he indicates are from the late '50s. The stamps look a lot like mine, as far as I can tell.
http://www.maxwelldrums.com/zildjian-cymbal-325g-p-2626.html
http://www.maxwelldrums.com/zi...late50s-1330g-p-2629.html
http://www.maxwelldrums.com/zi...-cymbal-2430g-p-2516.html
I'm also relying on input from friends from the cymbalholic.com forum, who are well versed in older Zildjian cymbals, who have indicated to me that this is a late '50s cymbal.
1960s Zildjians have a similar stamp, but that stamp has three dots in the large "u-shaped" figure above the "DI" in "AVEDIS." My cymbal doesn't have the dots.
Also, all of the '70s Zildjians I've seen have had inked logos on them which, even once they're removed, leave a ghost marking where the original lettering was. I see no such lettering on either side of my cymbal.
Finally, I've posted this same ad to a number of forums, including drumforum.org, which is populated primarily by vintage drum and cymbal afficionadoes. Not one person there has claimed publicly or privately that this is a 1970s cymbal - not even the person who contacted me about buying the cymbal a day after I pulled the ad.
Wow...all this drama over a cymbal that isn't even up for sale any more. 
Updated on 7/10/2010 12:06:45 PM To clarify that penultimate paragraph: not one person (other than you, Crash) who has viewed my ad has expressed the opinion that this is not a 1950s cymbal.
"I played with Holdsworth, Fripp, and Belew...I wish we drummers could play that differently. Drummers are starting to homogenize into the same guy, which frightens me." - Bill Bruford
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crash
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10 July 2010
| Sorry man but when I looked at the catalogs they show a different stamp. I too am just trying to learn and remember.
Updated on 7/10/2010 1:14:20 PM Sorry my bad, it changed in the 60's the 50's had the small o | | Message posted 579 days ago | IP Logged |
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