19 May, 2012











Forum
Manufacturers
Register
Login
Hey You! Registering only takes 5 seconds... literally! Look at the sign up form!
Latest Forum Posts
BASEBALL
Posted in 12 hours ago
Inked by EVANS
Posted in 13 hours ago
Matt Nolan Custom Cymb...
Posted in 13 hours ago
Road to 100k
Posted in 15 hours ago
On ebay...
Posted in 15 hours ago
Sponsor Links
Online Users
There are 7 guests browsing this site
Newest Members
Please welcome our newest members:

Cooperj
Registered 12 days ago
Package951
Registered 19 days ago
PerfectPair
Registered 21 days ago
scott
Registered 23 days ago
Abenezer
Registered 23 days ago
Register as a Member
Registering as a member is super easy and takes 5 seconds! Join in the discussion today.
 
Forum Home - General - Determinism
Determinism
Tripple Gold Stars
Gullanian



8,030 posts (1 today)
4 Awards

I believe everything (theoretically) is pre determined.

First of all, lets pretend we know everything there is to know about chemistry, physics and biology. When I say everything, I mean absolutely everything there is to know. (Whether that is possible is a different matter, but for now lets pretend).

We are in space. We have atom x, and atom y. We shoot the atoms towards each other. Before the collision occurs, if enough if known about physics and the chemical makeup of these two atoms, then can we with enough time, for certain predict the outcome of the collision (direction of bounce, spin, chemical change) assuming no interuptions occur. I believe the answer is yes. And if you believe it is yes also, I believe you believe in determinism!

Lets take it further, and pretend you throw a million atoms together. You plot their exact locations, speed and direction of travel, spin and precise chemical makeup. We are talking imaculate detailing here. Is it possible if you have enough time to for certain predict the outcome exactly? I do.

I believe the world is chemical, biological and physical. Nothing more. What else is there? We are simply those atoms in space described above, but on a grander scale. Our brains are impossibly complicated, everything in the world is when looked at closely. But assuming we could know everything there is to know about the three sciences, had enough computing power to perform trillions and trillions of calculations every nano second and it was possible to save every detail about the universe into this computer in a split second, could we predict the future? I think we could.

But then we have a problem. Lets assume the computer could predict everything that would happen. We then can watch the computer, and see what we next do. But if we can see what we next do, we are presented with a choice! But choices do not exist, so I actually believe it would be physically impossible to not do what you see you will do.

This is how we can travel time. We can press the fast forward button on the computer and analyise society in a million years. We can press rewind and study life a million years ago, in pin point accuracy. So accurate, we would know what colour socks joe bloggs is wearing in 2900. We could see what sandwitch he picked for lunch that day. We could see all the huge mistakes people and societys will make, and be helpless to do anything about it.

Whats everyone think about my theory?

Tom
Large Bronze Star
ifsemail



709 posts (0 today)
0 Awards

First, you need more drugs !!

Second, OH MY GOD !!, WHAT THE HELL CLASS ARE YOU TAKING ????

Third, who the hell is Joe Bloggs ?

4th, Wow! I hope your wrong !!

Large Gold Star
playinpearls



6,613 posts (2 today)
1 Awards

second answer-- theoreticallyphysicschemicaldeterminismcalculationsteriorism

joe bloggs is my uncle's son's brother's grandchild's nephew's brother's son!

you ever look up the bible code?  i am athiest, but that sh*t scares me, and twerks my mind a little


-~=Joey=~-
Aclarion!

has no website...lame!

www.myspace.com/livingston
search me on facebook!
RE_manufacture


1 posts (0 today)
0 Awards

WOW dude, you brain is either on overdrive 24/7 or you need to lay off the cough syrup, Cool theory though, and if you ever make that time telling Computer machine change the future and make sure I hook up with Jenna Jamesons daughter, Peace
Gold Star Horns
SBL1




15,832 posts (3 today)
12 Awards

Very interesting. But I believe the mind is not a predictable thing. Even if we knew everything there was to know about physics, chemistry, biology, I think the mind's ability to think, react, plan, decide, etc., is way to "fluid" to predict even in theory. Kinda like a biological roulette wheel. I believe there are other forces in effect outside of what we know collectively in our sciences.

For instance, TIME has to factor somehow. I believe that the length of time taken for the mind to make a decision cannot be predicted by any means.

Your theory has a little in common with Einstein's Relativity. Do you believe there is no difference between the past and the future and that the present does not exist?

OH MY BRAIN HURTS

SBL138064.9316203704
Lee

Photobucket

Large Bronze Star
ifsemail



709 posts (0 today)
0 Awards

Round ball vs round bat theory. We cannot ever assume to know all there is to know about the three sciences. That, in fact, cannot happen. With every change on a molecular level, all 3 sciences have to change, adapt. Time, as Lee indicated, has not been included, undoubtedly because it is not a calculable science. Time is, and has been, fixed for millions of years with no change. Every second of every day, there are changes at the rudimentary levels. The mere fact that evolution is involved on planet Earth is proof of change, every second of every minute of every hour of every day, and so on and so on…

ifsemail38064.9589236111

To post a reply, you need to login or register.



Drum-World.com Copyright © 2002 onwards. All rights reserved.